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Oriental planet
Every person have talents (special capabilities) to succeed his
mission in life. The Oriental planet is the planet which is behind Sun
and can show us which are the capabilities and how can handle them in
practical issues in our life.
For me Oriental planet is Mars which tells me that I do the things I
like too much (over-reacted). Also helps me to succeed what I start and
don't let me enjoy it before I finish it first. I am realistic person
and cause of that I can be productive. So my talents and my skills used
better in situations where there is a demand of practical knowledge and
rational mind (3rd house).
Question! What happened in Progressions? The oriental planet changes.
Also the natal oriental planet change house. What do you think about it?
Thanks
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02-26-2010, 02:54 PM
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Re: Oriental planet
I have only Mars and Saturn oriental.....
Don't know how to use oriental in progression, is works sort of like
moveable sign, the things it present will be very quick and short.
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02-26-2010, 03:08 PM
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Re: Oriental planet
[QUOTE=candiceaqua;188891]I have only Mars and Saturn oriental.....
You can have only one oriental planet. Mars or Saturn is behind your Sun?
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02-26-2010, 03:21 PM
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Re: Oriental planet
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I have only Mars and Saturn oriental.....
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This comment doesn't make much sense--not only for the reason
docker provided, but also for the fact that the zodiac is a circle. It
doesn't matter how far around the circle you must travel; everyone has
an oriental planet.
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Re: Oriental planet
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This comment doesn't make much sense--not only for the reason docker
provided, but also for the fact that the zodiac is a circle. It doesn't
matter how far around the circle you must travel; everyone has an
oriental planet.
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That might not be necessarily true. Oriental and occidental only
count as far as the opposition to the Sun, then the other one takes
over. Like, if you were to go to the left of the sun and count your
oriental planets, the oriental part of your chart would effectively end
when you got the degree opposite the degree of your sun, then any planet
that occupies a degree from the opposition to the conjunction of the
sun would be occidental. So, there is definitely a cut off point and if
you don't have anything there, then you have no oriental planet and you
can definitely have more than one planet being either occidental and
oriental. For myself, I have one oriental planet and five occidental
planets.
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The Oriental planet is the planet which is behind Sun and can show
us which are the capabilities and how can handle them in practical
issues in our life.
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This definition of oriental leaves much to be desired. An
oriental planet is a planet that rises before the sun, saying a planet
is behind the sun makes it sound as if it rises after the sun, making it
occidental.
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02-26-2010, 08:13 PM
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Re: Oriental planet
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Originally Posted by Ryoin
An oriental planet is a planet that
rises before the sun, saying a planet is behind the sun makes it sound
as if it rises after the sun, making it occidental.
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Oh so there is difference between Oriental and Occidental! I
didn't knew that word! (English is not my mother tongue language,
sorry)! Also I didn't know about the opposition. So if a planet is
behind the Sun over 180 degrees means that there isn't Oriental planet?
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02-26-2010, 09:27 PM
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Re: Oriental planet
How many planets can you have behind the sun? I would've thought one
in reading the first paragraph but others mention more than one.
My Sun is Virgo 2 degrees and the planet just prior to that is Pluto in
Leo 28 degrees in my 6th house. My Sun is in 6th house placidius or 7th
whole house. Pluto is supposed to be considered exalted by traditional
standards in Leo.
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02-26-2010, 09:42 PM
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Re: Oriental planet
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Originally Posted by Olivia
It also depends on the planet. The
inner planets are usually better occidental, the superiors (Mars,
Jupiter, Saturn), oriental to the Sun.
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Thanks Olivia, very helpful!
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02-27-2010, 04:54 AM
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Re: Oriental planet
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Oh so there is difference between Oriental and Occidental! I didn't
knew that word! (English is not my mother tongue language, sorry)! Also I
didn't know about the opposition. So if a planet is behind the Sun over
180 degrees means that there isn't Oriental planet?
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A much less lengthy definition of oriental is a planet that rises
before the sun. So, any planet that comes over the first house before
the sun does, but isn't more than 180 degrees from it. Planets that
rise after the sun are occidental.
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How many planets can you have behind the sun? I would've thought one
in reading the first paragraph but others mention more than one.
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It's possible to have them all either oriental or occidental.
Like myself, I've only Jupiter oriental while Saturn, Venus, Mercury,
and Mars are all occidental.
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My Sun is Virgo 2 degrees and the planet just prior to that is Pluto
in Leo 28 degrees in my 6th house. My Sun is in 6th house placidius or
7th whole house. Pluto is supposed to be considered exalted by
traditional standards in Leo.
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Pluto doesn't count and it most certainly holds no dignity in Leo in the astrological tradition.
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Re: Oriental planet
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Originally Posted by Ryoin
A much less lengthy definition of
oriental is a planet that rises before the sun. So, any planet that
comes over the first house before the sun does, but isn't more than 180
degrees from it. Planets that rise after the sun are occidental.
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For clarification, Ryoin......If the Sun is on the Ascendant
degree, are all planets in houses 1-6 occidental and all those in houses
7-12 oriental?
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Re: Oriental planet
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For clarification, Ryoin......If the Sun is on the
Ascendant degree, are all planets in houses 1-6 occidental and all those
in houses 7-12 oriental?
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Exactly.
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02-28-2010, 01:54 PM
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Re: Oriental planet
i've venus oriental(merc,pluto,jupiter,moon)
& mars occidental(uranus,neptune,saturn)
venus & mars are combust in sag.
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02-28-2010, 03:41 PM
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Re: Oriental planet
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Originally Posted by Ryoin
Exactly.
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So since my Sun is closer to the descendant line the reverse would
be true for me? Everything from the Sun, including the sun, (Virgo 2
degrees) to Pisces 2 would be occidental and from Pisces 2 to Virgo
again would be oriental?
Sometimes my pea brain takes a while to absorb correctly. lol.
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/gl/oriental.html
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02-28-2010, 03:55 PM
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Re: Oriental planet
I have mars-venus-moon (conjunction) before the sun. So this is oriental? The rest are occidental I suppose.
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Re: Oriental planet
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Originally Posted by Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris
So since my Sun is closer to the
descendant line the reverse would be true for me? Everything from the
Sun, including the sun, (Virgo 2 degrees) to Pisces 2 would be
occidental and from Pisces 2 to Virgo again would be oriental?
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Sun is not included, Amy......But otherwise, what you say is correct.
(Oriental=before Sun...Occidental=after Sun......Sun can be neither before nor after itself.)
But from your Skyscript link, a planet is "occidental in figure" if it's near the Descendant)......whilst a planet near the Ascendant is "oriental in figure"....So your Sun is "occidental in figure", but not an occidental planet...
...[It's confusing, but where would be the mystery in astrology if we
used terms like "rises up to 12 hours before the Sun", "rises up to 12
hours after the Sun"; "is near the Ascendant" or "is near the
Descendant"?]
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03-01-2010, 05:39 PM
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Re: Oriental planet
Thanks EJ~ I just noticed your rising is 29 degrees Virgo as my
Mercury is. I hope Saturn leaves us BOTH alone these next two times
around.
Now I get to google and see what Occidental and Oriental positioning
does to my planets so you've given me homework, which is OK, especially
if I learn.
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Originally Posted by EJ53
Sun is not included, Amy......But otherwise, what you say is correct.
(Oriental=before Sun...Occidental=after Sun......Sun can be neither before nor after itself.)
But from your Skyscript link, a planet is "occidental in figure" if it's near the Descendant)......whilst a planet near the Ascendant is "oriental in figure"....So your Sun is "occidental in figure", but not an occidental planet...
...[It's confusing, but where would be the mystery in astrology if we
used terms like "rises up to 12 hours before the Sun", "rises up to 12
hours after the Sun"; "is near the Ascendant" or "is near the
Descendant"?]
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Re: Oriental planet
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Originally Posted by Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris
Thanks EJ~ I just noticed your rising
is 29 degrees Virgo as my Mercury is. I hope Saturn leaves us BOTH
alone these next two times around.
Now I get to google and see what Occidental and Oriental positioning
does to my planets so you've given me homework, which is OK, especially
if I learn.
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Hey, my moon is also 29 deg virgo I think saturn has given me much **** too! And pluto or whatever:/
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Re: Oriental planet
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Hey, my moon is also 29 deg virgo I think saturn has given me much **** too! And pluto or whatever:/
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Maybe we should take a tally on those that have 29 degrees Virgo here?
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03-01-2010, 10:29 PM
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Re: Oriental planet
This thread is about oriental planet.
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03-01-2010, 10:29 PM
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Re: Oriental planet
Maybe its the "we like astrology" degree
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Oriental planet
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Re: Oriental planet
removed comment- as I didnt answer the question the OP wanted. Sorry,
didnt mean to hijack the thread. Just thought the ideas were very
interesting and in the 15 books of astrology that I have, none have a
mention of this.
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Re: Oriental planet
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Originally Posted by docker
...Question! What happened in
Progressions? The oriental planet changes. Also the natal oriental
planet change house. What do you think about it?
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We are 25 posts into the thread now, and no-one has yet attempted
to answer Docker's question......As a "Modern astrologer", I know very
little about oriental/occidental planets......but hopefully a
Traditional Astrologer will clarify things for us.
Edit/Addition
On the other hand, I am familiar with the concept of the "guiding (or scout) planet"......sometimes called the Oriental
Planet by modern astrologers, because it rises immediately before the
Sun (being the planet that is immediately behind it in the
zodiac)......which I think is what is actually being referred to by
Docker in the opening thread comment......and by Amy's link to
definitions.
As Docker says, "there can be only one" guiding planet.....and (in the
case of Moon/Mercury/Venus) it can become occidental by progression or move
from being a natally occidental planet to the progressed guiding
planet......In addition, natally occidental planets that move slower
than the Sun can become the progressed guiding planet.
I have never thought about this before, but it seems to me that
progressed change of the Sun's guiding planet must result in a change of
style/approach to the events we encounter......So, those born with Mars
as the guiding planet would change considerably if (by progression of
the Sun) their natally occidental Neptune became their guiding planet.
Good question, Docker.
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03-02-2010, 04:18 PM
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Re: Oriental planet
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Originally Posted by EJ53
We are 25 posts into the thread now, and no-one has yet attempted to answer Docker's question......
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Thank you very much for the observation EJ53. I made a question
about the change of the Oriental planet in progressions. I never meet
this before in any book. That's why I am asking this. I born with a Mars
oriental, but now I have oriental planet in progressions Mercury, which
is Retrograde. Should I count Mercury as Oriental planet? Is this an
indicator or an occupation change?
Please try to stay focus on the question of this thread. Thank you all!
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